Question about a Neptun drilling

[Skaubjonn]

Hello. Please forgive me for writing in English, in a German forum.

I have recently bought a Krieghoff Drilling Neptun T Primus in 2x16-70 / 7x65R. It is a Dural, with barrels in Bühler Antinit steel. It has side-locs that are detachable by hand, and a Krieghoff 22 insert barrel inserted the stock behind the buttplate. The trigger guard is made from buffalo horn. It has 63.5 cm barrels, is completely tight, and weighs 2850 grams.

The drilling is stamped 241, and I guess that means that it was produced in February 1941. I guess that Krieghoff was producing weapons for the German army at the time(?). Would it be possible to find out who commissioned the weapon at the time? And where it has been used since then? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[Beowulf80]

Very probable they produced luxury weapons in spite of war times for civilian customers, foreign and domestic.

Did you ask Krieghoff for an extract from their archives? Model, make, serial number and proof mark 241 should be enough for them, if the archives still exist after the war.

 

[Paladin]

Really a lovely gun you have although the 7x65 R is quite harsh on a dural drilling.

I don´t know what 241 is, but it is NOT February 1941.

The Dural guns were made much later after the war.

You may ask Krieghoff but the company lost lots of documents during the 90s. I asked several times personally at IWA and wrote them again and again to get answers.

They could not help me.

Your Krieghoff Neptun drilling is even more beautiful as mine ; -)

 

[boris0815]

Hello. Please forgive me for writing in English, in a German forum.

I have recently bought a Krieghoff Drilling Neptun T Primus in 2x16-70 / 7x65R. It is a Dural, with barrels in Bühler Antinit steel. It has side-locs that are detachable by hand, and a Krieghoff 22 insert barrel inserted the stock behind the buttplate. The trigger guard is made from buffalo horn. It has 63.5 cm barrels, is completely tight, and weighs 2850 grams.

The drilling is stamped 241, and I guess that means that it was produced in February 1941. I guess that Krieghoff was producing weapons for the German army at the time(?). Would it be possible to find out who commissioned the weapon at the time? And where it has been used since then? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Please show us the stamps which you can find at the chambers of the Barrels and inside the bascule.

 

[Skaubjonn]

Thanks a lot! Here Are The stamps:

 

[Skaubjonn]

It says here that all weapons marked with the eagle and N was produced between 1939 and 1945? https://www.lugerforums.com/threads/eagle-n-proof.127447/

My drilling is marked with this stamp

 

[boris0815]

It was proved (first and last time) in Ulm in February 1966. I don't know what "241" means. It is not the number of the weapon, may be it ist the internal number of the barrel set.

It war definitely not built in 1945 or earlier. Neptuns which were built in that time look like this one: https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19484221

 

[Skaubjonn]

@boris0815 thanks!
What do you think of the eagle proof stamp?

 

[Mohawk]

"Eagle-N" only means that it was proofed for nitro/smokeless gunpowder prior to 2014:

Beschusszeichen - Regierungspräsidium Tübingen

Regierungspräsidien Baden-Württemberg

rp.baden-wuerttemberg.de

 

[Skaubjonn]

Aaahh sooo…! Thanks again!

 

[Skaubjonn]

Very probable they produced luxury weapons in spite of war times for civilian customers, foreign and domestic.

Did you ask Krieghoff for an extract from their archives? Model, make, serial number and proof mark 241 should be enough for them, if the archives still exist after the war.

I have sent an email to Krieghoff, but I haven’t heard back from them.

 

[handyman]

Nice Drilling. From the looks I have a twin to that one just in 12/70 proofed 3/64:

Model T is a slightly reduced version of the regular Neptun missing the automated switch to fire the shotgun barrel after firing the rifle barrel. Price was 300DM lower.

In this picture the difference is explained:

Krieghoff Seitenschloss-Drilling Neptun (Suhl, Germany) 1935 Gun Catalog | eBay

Krieghoff Neptun Primus. Krieghoff Seitsenscholg Drilling 1935. Picture of Hirsch Krieghoff in 1935. Suhl, Germany. We are not affiliated with any arms or gun manufacturer. CONTENTS INCLUDE Quality: Our mission is to preserve old firearms catalogs at a reasonable price before they are all gone...

www.ebay.de

 

[Skaubjonn]

@handyman thanks, great info

 

[Mandrill]

Moin!
Which means: Hi!
This is definitely a post-WW-II-Drilling from Ulm.
The proofmark (federal-republican eagle, not third-reich-eagle!) + "N" dates from February 1966 (266).
In addition to this: postwar-Krieghoff production can easily be dated by the serial number. The first two digits indicate the year of manufacture, the three last ones the number "in order of appearance" in that year. Your drilling wears the number 66015, so it`s the 15th Weapon manufactured in 1966 (which, by the way, is casually compatible with the proof-date).
M.

 

[Mandrill]

On the left side the "Pleitegeier" (Vulture of Bankruptcy) of the Third Reich and on the right side the "Bundesadler" (Federal Eagle) of the Federal Republic of Germany (also not in use anymore).
M.